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AITA for wanting to stay at a nicer hotel than the rest of the bachelor party?

So my best friend is getting married and we’re having his bachelor party in Vegas. For some reason everyone wants to go during the NFL draft when it’s going to be insanely crowded. Because of that, rooms are really expensive and our friends (there’s 8 of us) would rather stay in a cheap(er) hotel so they could spend more on other stuff. They chose the Excalibur(one of the shittiest hotels in Vegas and barely on the strip). The groom would rather stay at a better hotel too, but caved to everyone else.
Now my gf and I go to Vegas all the time to gamble, so I can get a free room whenever I want. I got two rooms comped at the cosmopolitan, and could have gotten the other 6 at a big discount, but still more expensive than Excalibur. Four of them declined so four of us are gonna stay at the cosmo and the other four at Excalibur. The ones that declined are all complaining that everyone’s gonna be split up and we should all be together in the same hotel. They’re saying that we’re too good to stay at the Excalibur and basically throwing a tantrum.
My gf thinks I should’ve just sucked it up and had everyone stay at the Excalibur. And that it’s more important that everyone’s together and in a good mood. I think that we should do what the groom wants and not stay at a shitty casino. So AITA?
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Math, Physics, And Roulette. My ridiculous runs and why I’m committed to recognizing and suppressing my addiction.

It felt appropriate that my first post ever in Reddit would be something gambling related. I started playing poker when I was 15. Was on PokerStars the moment I turned 18, before the government came and shut everything down. On my 21st birthday, my family took me to Las Vegas to celebrate and I was at the tables the moment the clock struck midnight on my birthday. My game of choice was roulette when I tried to applied math and physics to it with decent success. To this day, I’m still paying the price for the stupid shit I did to finance it.
Before approaching a roulette table, I spent a TON of time calculating expected value and figuring out how I could maximize the amount of money I could make. I put together my own patterns and schemes that took into consideration physics and following the pattern the ball would take as it traveled the wheel. I would play with small denominations at my local casino to validate if my hypotheses were correct. Very early on, I was finding success and would win a couple hundred bucks here and there. That’s when I started thinking that I had a chance to make a bunch of money and wanted to take my methods to Las Vegas.
One of the first nights staying in the cosmopolitan, I put down a couple hundred bucks and started watching the wheel... I wanted to get a sense of the pattern the wheel was showing me. I had a couple drinks, and I was catching on to a pattern, and found myself up about $1k and feeling great. Then I started getting greedy... drinking a little more... and lost track of time and myself. I wasn’t betting big on a couple numbers... I was betting a calculated amount within a particular pattern that maximizes my expected value. Before I knew it, I was up about $10k and not knowing how the fuck I got back to my room without being mugged. The next night, I applied my methods at a couple wheels at Planet Hollywood and ended up another $5k up. I felt unstoppable, like I figured out how to make money.
My greed got the best of me. I thought I could drink, apply some math and science, and win whenever I wanted. To this day, I honestly can’t recall whether I’m up or down from gambling activities. I’ve had runs of losing thousands, and I’ve had runs of winning thousands. I’ve won a stack at New York New York and a local casino since that first big hit. I’d wake up some mornings with thousands of dollars charged to my credit card in cash advances. I’ve even gambled always thousands, all night long in a Las Vegas casino while my girlfriend slept alone in a comped wraparound suite at the cosmopolitan. The shit I got into was out of control, and I needed to figure my shit out and get my priorities straight before I got into the hole and fucked up my life financially.
I feel really vulnerable posting this... but I want to be a support for anyone that feels like they have a problem and need help. I haven’t gambled in over six months, and feel like I have better control of my impulses and my life. I’ve even taken up new hobbies to ensure I don’t fall back into my addiction. Always know that I’m here to support when anyone else is feeling down.
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Anyone have experience getting comped playing $100+/hand blackjack in Vegas?

I don't really believe in "gambling" but I love playing blackjack in Vegas because if you just play perfect basic strategy its a very cheap form of entertainment. It feels like I'm getting a good value. I can stay at an awesome resort like Bellagio/Wynn/Cosmopolitan for way cheaper than a comparable room in any other city because the rates are subsidized by their casino earnings, and then if I feel like it I can go downstairs and play Blackjack with a ~0.5% or less house advantage, which after the comped drinks, the experience of playing on their awesome casino floors, the people watching, the venue to hang out with friends, is another win. If I'm playing $10/hand x 60 hands/hour thats $600 per hour gambled at an expected loss of $3 or less. Nothing. Less than the price of the 1.5 drinks I've probably had in that hour.
What I'm wondering is, to what degree does this value scale up with how much and how long you're gambling? If I was gambling $100/hand or $1000/hand or $5000/hand and still playing basic strategy, what would the casino comp me?
I haven't been able to find any information that I trust as authoritative. I read a lot about articles saying that 'casinos run a formula of':
$/hand x hands/hour x hours/day x expected loss x 'comp ratio'
These articles that talk about this "blackjack comp formula" will claim that casinos will typically calculate based on 60 hands/hour even though if you're playing alone you may be playing more like 70-80 hands/hour, and they claim that there is some "magic number" for the number of hours/day you have to play to maximize the potential of your comps. This is typically described as being 4 or 5 hours per day depending on the casino. They then claim (and this is the most unbelievable part, the main issue that makes me doubt this whole supposed formula even though I have read it described independently in multiple online publications) that the "expected loss" is typically calculated as 2% (!!!) and then that the comp ratio might be 20% to 60% depending on the casino and how big your play is relative to typical play at that casino.
My skepticism comes from considering how a casino could possibly comp you equivalent to ~1% of your total play (50% of an expected 2% loss) when they know full well that typical Vegas strip blackjack has an expected loss of only ~0.5% with there typically being higher denomination $100+ tables with better rules that might only have ~0.3% expected loss. If you played $1000/hand blackjack, 60 hands/hour for 4 hours, thats $240,000 gambled: how could they comp you $2,400 worth of rooms, meals, alcohol, massages, bottle service, etc, when your expected loss is only $720?
So I come here to ask if there's anyone here who does have experience playing high dollar blackjack for extended periods in las vegas who knows how the comping really works that could shed some light on this issue.
I suppose its possible that a "smart" blackjack high roller might be able to get a great value in comps because the casino is trying to find dumb players to make lots of money on, but I would think that they are watching your play and scale back the comps a lot after they figure out that you're playing disciplined basic strategy.
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[Table] IAmA Las Vegas Casino Dealer...AMA

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Two questions, actually! Completely unrelated: 1) What's the weirdest conversation you've had with a gambler in recent memory? 2) Have you ever advised a first time gambler / someone who isn't quite sure of the rules..on let's say, the blackjack table? I've had guests tell great stories of there experiences with "working girls" as we call them.
All the time...most guests do not know how to play...that is actually part of the dealers job description...helping/advising guests how to play the games
Any asshole celebrity stories? I've meet an enormous amount of pro-athletes...I have nothing bad to say about them. Second hand celebrity stories...tons. J-Lo is a notorious stiff...Ben Afflack, Barkley, Rodman...nothing but great things.
I heard Beyonce was beyond rude...stiffed a cocktail waitress at the Wynn It is common knowledge among dealers that Jordan and Tiger do NOT tip.
I took a cab ride in Vegas, cabbie told me that Scottie Pippen is known as "No tipping Pippen". I haven't heard anything about Pippen...maybe it is b/c Pippen doesn't play the tables and when I refer to someone as a stiff it is about them not tipping dealers...not necessarily how they treat waiters, waitresses, etc etc.
What's the most money someone won in your table? Or lost? What are the skills required to be a dealer? I dealt to one person who lost 1 million playing craps the night the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl...the first time. The most...I've seen a 100k winner...I am mostly in dice, so I never dealt and supervised baccarat, which is the game that gets all of the BIG action...I mean BIG play. People with multi-million credit limits, Royalty, etc etc...skills required by a dealer is simply just one who is talkative, gregarious, outgoing.
Have you ever seen the move Casino? Yes...my grandfather and his siblings actually worked in Vegas at that time...so much money was made...by everyone.
Thats pretty cool. My fathers Aunt said DeNiro's character was god awfully ugly and Sharon Stone's character was gorgeous...I had an accounting professor who was on the Gaming commission at the time they put Tony Spilatro (Pesci's character) in the black book.
Is there any reason you would NOT let someone play? Card counters are not allowed to play blackjack, but can play the others such as roulette, craps, and bacc. If one becomes too intoxicated, that may be a reason to "back them off" If a player becomes aggressive is another reason, but the previous two reasons, intoxication and aggressiveness are subjective and dependent on the player.
Forgive me for not knowing this, but how do you know if someone is counting cards? Very easy actually...it is all about how they bet and play...one does not necessarily know how to count to catch a card counter...in order for someone to be profitable at counting, they must have a large "bet spread" for instance a minimum bet of say $25 and a maximum of $500...one indication is if a person is betting: 25, 25, 50, 75, 500...that may be a sign...how one plays is another indication.
I know you don't make the rules, but it's such bullshit. They literally kick people out for using their brain to play a game. Yes and no...I see it from both sides...the advantage for a card counter is actually very small...it brings the advantage to slightly over 1%..so really it's a grind...and not automatic. A positive count for the player is also a positive count for the dealer. There have been times I've dabbled...got a 20 and the dealer pulls a 21.
Has anyone ever come into the casino in a disguise that had previously been 86ed for card counting? Not that I know of...I've never caught anyone like that...a good documentary about card counting is: HolyRollers
What gives the player the advantage is that the dealer is more likely to bust. And a 1-2% advantage is exactly what the casino's normal advantage over players who play basic strategy is. So for a counter to have that allows them to always be profitable in the long run. It's simple math. Yes...but it is a grind. It is not the romantic thing that I think people think it is. In the long run, absolutely a good counter will be profitable...but that counter will have put in a lot of hours and experience a lot of swings.
Thanks for doing this AMA. Your proof pic is a bit blurry, but I think I'm looking at a Cosmopolitan ID card there. If so, could you let me know a bit about the comp structure at the Cosmopolitan? I usually play blackjack, at $1000 per hand. What can I expect for my kind of play? Yes my proof is blurry and yes it's from the Cosmopolitan...for the comp structure I'll refer you to a co-worker, a host...I'll PM you his info later tonight, early Sunday morning...when you say $1000k a hand...I hope it means $1000 k a hand at least every hand.
Biggest tip you've gotten? In one night my crap table, which consists of 4 dealers made approximately 12k...my tips are usually accumulated throughout a night v. one big hand-in.
Has the casino you worked at ever done "shady business"? i.e. ripping off people, beating them? No beatings...they do not have to resort to "shady business" 1. all of the games have an advantage built in...most people now a days just come to party and not necessarily to "make money" very few people, I mean very few actually give themselves a fighting chance. They are just there to let loose and party. One practice some of the casinos have picked up which I do not like, but people still play is paying the 12 crap in the field double instead of the traditional triple...and playing blackjacks 6-5 instead of 3-2.
Are there any casinos left in LV that let dealers keep their own tips? In other words, a 'go for your own' house, rather than pooled tips? Yes...very few...Hooters and Silverton...If I wasn't getting out of the business, I would attempt to work at Silverton...I've talked to numerous "old timers" and of course goin for your own is far superior. I actually heard a co-worker describe recently working at the Silverton as making "score" as better than sex.
The current structure of "pooling" tips is the reason I went back to school 5 yrs ago and I'm getting out now.
What are the best and worst bets at the casino? The slot machines are terrible, the carnival games, such as Let it Ride, Three Card Poker are terrible...the best table game is baccarat, then craps (if played correctly)
What is the biggest, "No no," in a casino? Really touching any of the staff and the cards on a table and if someone reaches in the rack or towards it, even joking...they will get thrown out.
What are your favorite restaurants in Vegas? Romas on Spring Mtn...I've eaten at Hot 'n' Juicy Crawfish but was very intoxicated so I do not remember if I liked it or not. Lindo Michoacan on Trop is okay...I used to eat Ricardo's a lot on flamingo and decatur...on the strip...the Wynn and the Cosmopolitan buffet is awesome...Comme Ca is very good, Holsteins has a great beer selection as does Freaken Frogs across from UNLV on Maryland.
Cool, thanks. I was in Vegas last week and had no idea where to eat. Fortunately we got lucky with some Italian restaurant at the Cosmopolitan. I'll remember your picks for next time. Yea you probably ate at Scarpetta...I didn't mention it b/c I haven't eaten there yet.
What are the telltale signs of someone who's counting cards? An irregular, large bet spread and play. Splitting tens against a bust card with an enormous bet, and nothing but tens and aces show is a great indicator. When someone takes insurance on a dealer's Ace with a bad hand but a lrge bet is another.
What about splitting tens against a bust card with a normal bet? I love doing this at low limit tables. I normally wouldn't b/c you have a 20 and most likely will not improve your hand, but there are situations that say it is the play.
How many people ACTUALLY cheat? It actually happens more than you think...they do it in teams now-a-days...sometimes even the dealer is in on it...heres one
Whats the cleverest one you've seen. The cards at some casinos had a slight pattern that were barely noticeable and only when the cards were turned a certain way. Apparently some players from Asia recognized this, deposited a large amount of money in the casino bank and told the casino they wanted to play baccarat. They also stipulated they would only play if the dealer turned the cards a certain way before exposing the card...once the dealer did this one time through the deck...all of the cards were able to be read from the back...it is very confusing unless someone understands how baccarat is played.
Are you trained to catch a cheater? As a supervisor I took a class that taught some techniques and what to look for...what really prevents cheats is the fact that camaras are ubiquitous...and the dealers are taught "game protection" that prevents cheats. For instance in craps always making sure when the person shooting the dice always hit the back wall, the dice leave the shooters hand simultaneously, and both dice are airborne, in addition to the stick person always having his/her eyes on the dice.
I thought Baccarat cards were only used once. Normally yes...but I think they requested the same deck be used...yes this should've sent off a flag.
Shit, missed this ama.. I have some real questions here.. Fire away...I have about 20 mins b/f I leave for work.
Approximately 4 guys? Yea there was a group of guys together...it was about 3 yrs ago when I was dealing to them...cannot remember if it was 4 or 5 of them...but one of the guys did claim he lost about $2500.
Thanks for all this, by the way. No I am kind've a hard ass when I floor craps, so I nip shit in the but...only on video
How much do you make playing us rubes at poker after your shift ends? Man, gotta leave when the dealers pull up for happy hour, but you're so fun to drink with! I haven't played poker seriously in over two yrs...I've been finishing up my degree so I haven't had the time to invest.
Poker dealers are notorious for being loose.
What game do I have the best chance at winning? Baccarat then craps, in craps the way to play is a pass or don't pass bet with full odds...then a come bet or don't come bet again with full odds
Do you gamble? A little...all the bars in Vegas have machines at the counter...I'll put anywhere from $20 to $100 in...get free drinks and sometimes free food.
Do you have any experience with anyone having incredible/unbelievable luck and you're convinced that he/she isn't cheating? Actually pretty recently...some guy just got incredibly hot in blackjack and won about 90k...which was a lot compared to his normal play.
I honestly think I know these guys. Was it the week of CES? It was around that time, in January.
You ever been a dealer in the WSOP? No that's poker...I am a table games dealer, well supervisor now
Biggest tip you've ever gotten? Favorite casino game? Most someone has ever won at your table? Throughout a night I've made into the thousands Favorite game is craps Most won-over 100k.
How can card counting considered cheating? Isnt that a major dick move from the casino? "Oh you can't use your brains, you'll have to be dumb and lucky." It's not considered cheating, that is why one would not get into trouble for doing it...the only response the casino has is to refuse service *not allow you to play bj.
What's your stance/opinion on that Phil Ivey casino incident? Context: Link to www.thestar.com That was the same scam I spoke of earlier...with the card backs having a design issue...in my opinion, as long as no devices were used...it was the fault of the casino and the casino should take the hit...they were negligent. IMHO.
Do some dealers cheat? I know its harsh in Vegas, but what about more easy places like Cruise liners etc? Cheat for who? Dealers work on tips, more so than waitresses. So they are not gonna cheat so the player loses.
I just spent a weekend at Las Vegas [first time] with a client who curiously only played slots [to the level he got comp'd regularly]. It was a surreal experience. However since it looks like there will be repeat visits, it got me wondering: what would be the best way to go about learning a table game like blackjack and the best way to teach my [Jpn] client/friend? Ask the dealer...it is part of there job to help.
How much does the casino spend in card decks per day or month or whatever the period would be? How many decks is that? What about dice? Edit: corrected Swype mistake from Reddit Mobile. That I do not know.
How often do they replace dice? 8 hrs.
You get new dice every 8 hours? What do you do with the old ones? Some casinos sell them...others not sure.
Have you even been to the tunica casinos? If not, what have you heard about them? My grandfather always liked goin to Mississippi.
What is the highest amount of dough you've ever seen anyone lose? 1 million.
Holy shit... How pissed was he? He gets pissed when he loses... I've dealt and floored his games numerous times... He's pretty cool other than that.
What is your favorite non-cassino game to play, such as board games and video games? I love to play cards...euchre, all forms of rummy, knock, skat, spades...as for video games I pretty much only play Madden.
How rich is he? do you know what he does? I cant imagine losing a milly...even if i was rich. Whats the point?...i doubt he does it for the money. Maybe the rush? He's a professional gambler.
Obviously not professional enough, eh? ;-) I wouldn't go that far...people lose, even pros. He doesn't play craps professionally...but he is a professional gambler.
How much money does the casino have at any point inside the building ? It depends on the chips in play...differs from casino to casino.
By law a casino has to have enough money in hand to cover every bet in play on its floor, correct? Not sure what the exact percentage is...but it is stricter than our banking system, lol.
Ever hear of Steve Forte? No but I work with his son John.
Damn... To someone like me, He is royality. I'd pay good money to watch him shuffle.. Sounds weird, but its true. I'll ask John about it tonight.
1st, huge fan of your work, I love anything to do with chance or cards. 2nd, what is a good amount of money to bring into a casino? I've been making a Vegas fund and I need to know when I need to actually go. It depends on the amt of money you'd like to bet...usually around a couple thousand should be okay.
I've had guests tell great stories of there experiences with "working girls" as we call them. All the time...most guests do not know how to play...that is actually part of the dealers job description...helping/advising guests how to play the games One story was when approximately 4 guys were sharing a room...one of the guys got nearly blackout drunk, brought a worker upstairs to the room, he was so drunk, he passed out and the working girl made off with thousands of dollars.
That's the most hilariously sad story i've ever heard...thanks for the answers! Your welcome...another was when a guy was in with his wife...he picked up a girl at the table when his wife was elsewhere...he attempted to bring the girl to the room...on his way his wife happened to be waiting at their room door...when they got there the working girl kept walking(apparently with payment) that was a 2nd hand story but I definitely believe it.
Keep going! Lol...one guy had a terrible bite on his bicep...I asked him what happened...he told me he brought a girl upstairs...she began to pleasure him orally...he looked down and she had her hands in his pocket pants which were around his ankles looking for money...he went to grab her...she bit his arm and ran away.
Have u ever stacked a deck Never...not necessary...the casinos do not need to "stack the deck" the games are in their favor
Baccarat then craps, in craps the way to play is a pass or don't pass bet with full odds...then a come bet or don't come bet again with full odds wizardofodds
No that's poker...I am a table games dealer, well supervisor now It's a good way to get experience I've heard for those with little time dealing poker and want to get an in.
Throughout a night I've made into the thousands Favorite game is craps Most won-over 100k. I split my tips with every dealer working that day, so If I make a score, it doesn't matter...that's part of the reason I stopped dealing.
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